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This is a random pondering.

If you were given a button, and told that if you pressed it, someone you dislike would die, would you?

You'd be able to name the person and they would die. It wouldn't be your fault. It would be entirely untraceable. Maybe it would be a car crash, maybe a heart attack. But they would die. It could be someone you'd never met - a dictator - or someone who had hurt you in a specific way.

Consequences free killing.

Could you?

Would you?

Date: 2012-08-14 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adze.livejournal.com
Firstly, I don't agree that it wouldn't be your fault - you'd still be making it happen.

But either way, I couldn't do it, probably not even if I could pick who it was. If anything, not controlling who it effects makes me even less likely to, as on any given day, the list of people I dislike changes!

Date: 2012-08-14 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madwitch.livejournal.com
I was, many years ago, offered access to the big red button (not actually a button, you know what I mean), with reference to a specific person. I said no.

Date: 2012-08-14 09:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] andrewducker
I would be very, very tempted.

I'd like to hope I'd resist.

Date: 2012-08-14 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lanfykins.livejournal.com
No, I think I wouldn't.

I'd want to. I'd be very tempted. I'd start lifting a hand a few times. But:

a) Those people I want dead? I want to do it up close and personal, so they damn well know who's killed them and why, and so that I can feel it.
b) I worry what that act would do to me as a person. Would I start to turn into someone I wouldn't like very much? Or would I feel guilt and regret over it for the rest of my life? How would I feel, knowing I had done a thing that my friends would turn away from me if they knew about it? Would I feel like I was living a lie every time I hung out with them, knowing it was only possible because I was keeping something big and fundamental a secret from them?

So... two very contradictory reasons there, but then that's me all over :)

Date: 2012-08-14 10:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] nickys.livejournal.com
Trouble is things like evil regimes are a bit like hydras.
Cutting off the head can make the problem worse.

Date: 2012-08-14 10:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fearmeforiampink
Yes.

But, at the moment at least, I don't think there's anyone I dislike enough to want to do that to them. If there was? Yeah I most likely would.

Date: 2012-08-14 10:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kizzie.livejournal.com
I wouldn't press it. There is no one I dislike enough to ever do that to.

Date: 2012-08-15 10:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crocodilewings.livejournal.com
Am I being given the button, or being given a single use of the button?

Date: 2012-08-15 10:47 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] annwfyn.livejournal.com
You are given the button and may make use of it as you wish.

Date: 2012-08-15 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crocodilewings.livejournal.com
Do I have any knowledge of how many other buttons there are? Is it a unique artefact? Have other people been given similar buttons? Does my possessing it prevent someone else from having it?

Date: 2012-08-15 11:25 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] annwfyn.livejournal.com
Let's say you do not have this information at this time.

Date: 2012-08-15 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crocodilewings.livejournal.com
The first step would be to aggregate as many publicly available death records as possible. It's likely that a handful of territories would stand out in terms of public availability for such data, so I'd focus my attention there on the assumption that if anyone else is doing the same thing as me, they'd be looking in the same place.

I'd then try to obtain a list of people over the age of 85 in these territories, and arrange a statistically significant event involving the least number of deaths possible. There are a specific number of Sven Sorensens over the age of 85 all dying within a certain time frame which cannot reasonably be attributed to chance. Sorry, Sven. And Sven. And also Sven. If I have counterparts with a similar device, they will be made aware of my existence. The selectivity of my targets should also indicate my relatively benign intent. I'd maintain observations on death records for similar events, and a policy of reciprocation to a similar degree of statistical significance.

I'd then have to engineer some way of coming into a large quantity of money with which to safeguard the button. Once it's under lock and key, I would think long and hard about what to do with it. Also, y'know, study the sweet merry hell out of it, because it defies almost everything I think I know about the universe.

So the answer seems to be "broadcast my existence as a benign psychic assassin by kiling a bunch of old people, then figure out what to do with it". I accept this is probably not a popular choice, but I'd need to use it at least a few times to be sure it actually worked and that I wasn't just crazy. If someone comes up to me and says "here is a mysterious button that will kill anyone you like! Bwuya-ha-ha-ha-ha!", it would take a reasonably large amount of evidence to shift my belief from "some loony is giving you a button" to "you are now capable of committing untraceable remote murder".

Date: 2012-08-15 12:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pmp.livejournal.com
I think I'd still be too afraid of unforseen consequences and personal guilt to push the button. Unless I could intellectually rationalise the idea that the death was deserved, and necessary then I wouldn't be able to go through with it.

Date: 2012-08-15 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] omentide.livejournal.com
No.

I don't believe in action without consequence.
I believe that killing people is wrong

Happily convinced that these are my personal beliefs and not universal truths. I don't believe in universal truths..
Edited Date: 2012-08-15 08:13 pm (UTC)

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