Buzz closing/G+ growing

[annwfyn]

You know, why can't all you bastards just come back to livejournal?

*mutters darkly*

Comments

[faerierhona.livejournal.com]

Because it's good for journals, not conversations

[ginasketch.livejournal.com]

I disagree.

I've had some of the best conversations on LJ and people put a lot more thought into them.

[faerierhona.livejournal.com]

Sure, you can have them here, but it's less than ideal - it;s clunkier, takes more effort to see when other people have made a comment etc. I may have no interest in a post until someone comments - but I can't know someone has commented unless I repeatedly go back and look. G+ and Buzz make it much much easier.

I love LJ, and use it, but for every day chatter it's not a great tool

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

I think I'm probably just sulking because my initial survey of google plus left me hopelessly confused. :-/

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

I am absolutely with you on this.

I think it probably all comes down to personal preference tho and those of us who love LJ need to accept that some people like G+, some love facebook, and I believe there may still be someone out there who loves myspace, hard tho it may be to believe.

[andyrebranded.livejournal.com]

I've undecided what to do about Buzz closing. I don't particularly like Google+, it feels too cluttered and busy to me, but it might be better for quick fire conversations than LJ. Also, I don't have many friends on here, I can reach a lot more people on Google+ at the moment.

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

I have no idea who I can reach on G+ due to my confusion as to how circles work. This may be one of my reasons for finding it less than useful!

[andyrebranded.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure I have my head around how they work yet. I just used the default circles initially and added a whole bunch of people from the suggestions Google gave me. Now people I've never heard of are adding me and I've got just over 100 people in my circles without any effort on my part.

[cairmen.livejournal.com]

I'm still here. *waves*

I use G+ and Twitter too (mostly not Facebork these days), but I check LJ multiple times a day, and I'm even planning to post something later!

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

And I love you for it!

[badgersandjam.livejournal.com]

I'm RIGHT HERE.

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

And I think that makes you a better class of person for it. ;)

[suave-steve.livejournal.com]

Yeah I shall move my non conversations from Buzz to join the rest of my non conversations on LJ once again :)

[adze.livejournal.com]

G+ doesn't do what I want, so I likely won't use it very much.

I'll probably post more on here once Buzz is gone.

[pmp.livejournal.com]

Livejournal for me is about moments in time, frozen, thought about and occasionally reviewed. It's weird that out of the journals I read only yours seems to invite comments and conversation.

[nadriel.livejournal.com]

...because I never left? :-)

[mannheimblack.livejournal.com]

I never left.

I just never post.

[andrewducker]

G+ doesn't do threads. Which means that it's much worse for conversations from my point of view. I dread posts on FB/G+ which grow to more than a couple of people/loads of comments becuase everyone on them gets emailed for every comment.

Over here on LJ I use tracking on threads I find interesting, and that gets me the comments on it.

[andrewducker]

They work the same way LJ Friends Lists work (or DW circles). Pretty much exacty :->

[faerierhona.livejournal.com]

Sure - but I get a couple of hundred posts a day on LJ - I can't possibly keep going back and seeing if there was an interesting thread on there some time in the past, and the only other option is to track the whole post, which means it's the same problem again

And threads on LJ don't work well either, not unless I individually track each one which is tedious in the extreme. Sally responded on the thread I started but as it was in response to someone else's comment I wasn't notified.

[andrewducker]

If you got a couple of hundred posts on G+ wouldn't you have the same problem?

I track threads I'm interested in - but if there's interesting discussion happening all over the post then I either track the whole post, or add it to ReadItLater so I can check in on it later on.

[faerierhona.livejournal.com]

No, because on G+ the posts with recent comments come back to the top, so I can see there are changes

[andrewducker]

Aaaah. I hate that, because conversations I have no interest in keep popping back up and I can't tell when I've actually caught up on new posts that I haven't seen before, because they aren't in reverse-time-order.

[faerierhona.livejournal.com]

Oh, I just mute them if I really don't want to read them - one button and gone. Whereas just to comment on LJ takes ages of clicking and back and forthing

As I said, I love LJ, but not for quick conversations - it's my safe space for generally long drawn out discussions :-)

[andrewducker]

Aaah, gotcha, so for short throw-away things that get a few comments?

Yup, I agree that for that kind of thing it can be better.

Edit: My main issue is that if people post short snippets elsehwere then a lot of them tend not to post longer things on LJ, because the longer things are usually shorter posts that got out of control when they were being written :-> (Not universal, but seems pretty common)

[faerierhona.livejournal.com]

Oh no, it can be hundreds of comments quite happily (I can also easily turn off notifications with 1 click!) but not for anything truly important and deeply personal. Buzz showed me it's too easy to @ someone and have them see a post they were not privy to originally

[faerierhona.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I am finding that pretty disappointing too - I wish more people would post the important things on LJ again. I use FB only for event invitations, I hate it for everything else. I use Twitter only for celebrities/ interest, have removed everyone else. LJ still has that "proper posts" thing I miss

[andrewducker]

Yeah. Not that I do enough of that myself at the moment. I blame work for getting in the way of my home-life!

(And, about two years ago, a bunch of people took their stuff friends-only, which makes finding interesting new people harder)

[faerierhona.livejournal.com]

Mine is friends only - I got sick of the spammers and my psycho tried to kill me twice ex found me

[andrewducker]

Yup - entirely understandable - and I know why a bunch of my friends did similar things. It's just a shame that a few people spoil social networking stuff for the rest of us.

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

But you don't get a neat little list you can edit. You get these weird circles which you're meant to drag people's names into, which don't even show up at the bottom of the screen on my netbook as my netbook is far too little. I can't even find a way of telling who is already in my circles, so some people have been added multiple times and some people haven't been added at all and I find the stupid visual interface deeply annoying.

I want a nice straightforward list. Ideally in a table form.

[andrewducker]

Aaah, yes. The interface is "fun", but not actually useful.

[faerierhona.livejournal.com]

yeah - hence G+ has all sorts of things I am happy for anyone to read, LJ has stuff only some people can read :-)

[davywavy.livejournal.com]

Some of us never left.