More on Zeitgeist Garou & Zeitgeist Cam-Anarch

[annwfyn]

Right.

pierot and I sat down today and worked out our approvals list for Zeitgeist Garou. Basically, everything is either:

• Banned - Just no. Really. Behave. Now.


• Highly restricted - If you come up with a really good concept we will talk about it.


• Restricted - Come up with a good background and it'll depend on numbers etc already in the game. Unlikely to be more than one of this creature type in game.


• Allowed - Gen up a PC and have fun!

The banned stuff is mostly comprised of creature types which have either been described as dead and extinct, are basically antagonists instead of protagonists within this venue, or really could not exist in the game setting, such as the Pumonca who's yava states that they die if they leave America.

Everything else is open to discussion. As another warning, the decision we've made is that we're going to allow Garou, Kinfolk and one corax (linked to the Tower of London) into play at first, and after that there will be one fera slot open for every ten garou characters that we have designed and brought into play.

We've also talked about starting rank. Cliath will be the base, with three people needed to make you a fostern, five for adren, nine for athro and thirteen for elder. Athro and Elder are going to be restricted on top of that. That doesn't mean 'no' - it means 'you need a background and a good reason'. Homid is not restricted - metis and lupus are restricted insomuch as we want at least 50% of the game to be homid, and if that starts to go by the by then we'll cut back on non-homid breed.

There are pretty much no banned totems etc - all pack totems are open, pending discussion with me and jez. Anything big has to be run past both of us.

Anyway, here is the list...

Extinct Fera

Grondr – banned
Apis – banned
Camazotz – banned

Living Fera

Corax – one slot linked to Tower of London.
Nuwisha – highly restricted
Nagah – banned
Ananasi – banned
Rokea – highly restricted
Ajaba – highly restricted
Gurahl – highly restricted
Ratkin – highly restricted
Freak Factor Ratkin – banned
Mokole – highly restricted
Kitsune – highly restricted

Bastet
– Ceilican – restricted
– Bubasti – highly restricted
– Pumonica – banned
– Balaam – highly restricted
– Simba – restricted
– Khan – restricted
– Swara – highly restricted
– Qualmi – highly restricted
– Bagheera – restricted

Garou Tribes

Wendigo – highly restricted
Uktena – highly restricted
Croatan - banned
Bunyip - banned
White Howlers - banned
Children of Gaia
Get of Fenris
Fianna
Black Furies
Shadow Lords
Silver Fangs
Glasswalkers
Bone Gnawers
Stargazers - restricted
Silent Striders - restricted
Red Talons – restricted

Kinfolk

Garou kinfolk
Fera kinfolk – restricted
Kinfolk w/ numina etc - restricted

In other news, the next Zeitgeist Cam-Anarch game is going to be at the College Arms, timing in at about 5 pm and time out at 9.30 pm. The nearest tube station is Tottenham Court Road, and I'm sure most of you have been there in the past.

See you then!

Comments

[rweishaar.livejournal.com]

Not that I am going to play, but I was just curious...

What are those banned fera? I mean.. what do they turn into and stuff?

[rweishaar.livejournal.com]

By banned I meant extinct. My bad.... *waits*

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

The Grondr were the wereboars - they went on quests, cleansed sores etc. They were mostly wiped out in the War of Rage, and the few survivors had to take refuge with the vampires of the First or Second City (can't remember which), and became the Skull Pigs, which are vile and gribbly monsters. Some of their kinfolk may survive.

The Camazotz were South American werebats - they watched over the night as the corax watched over the day. They were wiped out by the Shadow Lords in Conquistador times. Their totem later went insane and fell to the Wyrm. Again, they probably have kinfolk surviving.

The Apis (I think that's their name) were were-aurochs - a kind of were-cow - the matchmakers of Gaia. I think they did auguries and other mystic nonsense. Their crinos form was the minotaur. They were mostly wiped out in the War of Rage, and the minotaur of Greek myth was meant to be one of the last survivors. They are dead and gone and even their kinfolk are dead now. I think Gaia realised that she'd just gotten a bit silly.

[uksilverfang.livejournal.com]

Grondr: Pigs, Gaia's Groomers
Apis: Aurochs, Gaia's Matchmakers
Camazotz: Bats, Sorta like Moontied Corax

[rweishaar.livejournal.com]

AWWWW MAN!

Why did they have to kill off the best Were creature!

I mean, were-COWS!! I am so ready to play one!

[cleosilver.livejournal.com]

Why'd they kill off the bats. Bats are adorable.

[suave-steve.livejournal.com]

What about Were-Wombles?

*sings*

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

Underground, overground, wombling free
The ratkin of wimbledon, psychotic are we

Erm. Yes. Ahem.

I think there is a clear correlation between ratkin and wombles, and that should be understood and appreciated.

Re: *sings*

[suave-steve.livejournal.com]

Wombles are way cooler than smelly ratkin!!

[lanfykins.livejournal.com]

<looks at the highly restricted concepts>

Um... about those Uktena...

Re: *sings*

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

Hey! Ratkin can be well showered and possibly really rather suave individuals. :p

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

Does this mean that there is e mail in the near future?

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

They are Garou. They are mostly evil. :p

[inskauldrak.livejournal.com]

yay! for C/A am looking forward to it : )

Sorry I wandered off the other night - was knackered, a bit tipsy and had work in the morning. But I'd forgotten how much fun it can be to go 'oopps, my PC's deid *giggle* what shall I play next' : )

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

Is OK. It was a knackering knackering long haul combat. Hope to see you on Sunday!

[lanfykins.livejournal.com]

Maybe, maybe not. The reason all my Cam PCs have been low approval is simply that I'm really reluctant to stand up and say 'this character is so great you should let me play it', especially when I don't know how the character will turn out.

I do have the bare bones of a concept, and an excuse for it to be in the country, but...

[melsner.livejournal.com]

Sally forgot the were-rabbits. Cuddly therapists of Gaia. Tragically, very tasty.

2 cents

[melsner.livejournal.com]

Personally, I'd argue that Uktena should be a lower approval level than Wendigo... Uktena are far more likely to travel, looking for some occult secret or another. They also breed outside of Native American stock these days; they knock up any disenchfranchised minority group with a reputation for magical heritage...

Breeds

[melsner.livejournal.com]

Any restrictions on breeds? You don't want everyone and their dog (pun intended) playing lupus...

and hopefully people will be mean to metis. :)

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

To be honest, that's not a bad start. I have no issues with you just saying 'this is my concept' and then we can chat about it and stuff. I don't want to make the restricted background a hoop to jump through, or a way to rewards good writers or people who are happy to write long and epic stories before the char is even in play.

I think I'd mostly just quite like to know that I'm not going to turn around and find Ryan asking me why I've got 17 wendigo, a white howler and a camazotz in the game. Baby Jesus starts crying over stuff like that.

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

And damn MattMatt for using my PC and leaving himself logged in! :p

[lanfykins.livejournal.com]

I was wondering :)

What's the best email address to use?

Re: Breeds

[lanfykins.livejournal.com]

I'm relying on it...

Re: 2 cents

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

Honestly, I don't think that it's going to be too hard to get a highly restricted char through. Essentially, all it means in an independent game is that you actually have to talk to me and jez, explain what you want, and hope there aren't 10 already in the game.

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

annwfyn@hotmail.com

Re: Breeds

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

Erm...good point. Shall go and think about that. Putting together approvals is hard

Re: 2 cents

[melsner.livejournal.com]

Bringing chocolate means that the Sally will lower your 'effective restriction' down by a level.

Bringing Mountain Dew means that Jez will let you play a Camazotz. Who is a mummy. With Mage Spheres.

Re: Breeds

[melsner.livejournal.com]

Just tell everyone to treat you as if you were a yorkshireman.

Re: Breeds

[melsner.livejournal.com]

You could do it like you did with corax... Two slots for lupus, then after that restricted?

although by that logic, you may want to make Red Talons restricted...

Re: Breeds

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

I think they are already restricted, just coz I'm not sure that I can see many Red Talons turning up to hang out in an urban caern.

[aardnebby.livejournal.com]

Aww, raties highly restricted... I dont want a "wierd shit" character as I already play a Lasombra Anti, so guess I am gonna work on my _proper_ Glasswalker concept (IE, different from Derick who was frankly just a Steel Host waiting to happen).

[twicedead.livejournal.com]

The Rumbles were wiped out by the Borribles :D

Re: Breeds

[lanfykins.livejournal.com]

And to be honest, you probably want even less metis than lupus. Breach of the first should be rare.

Um...

...I think I'd better at this point slip quietly off and start pondering a nice homid Silver Fang backup plan ;)

[wildrogue.livejournal.com]

*looks quiet in the corner*
Can I play a kinfolk? I never quite got the hang of Garou and I'd like to go through the whole thing from start to finish.

[lanfykins.livejournal.com]

If you're playing Kinfolk you don't really want all of your XP, do you?

<looks hopeful>

[(Anonymous)]

Well dear, tell me what you're wanting to play and I'll consider it. I have already offered some to Matt Matt so he gets first dibs and I'd like to be quite competent on the quiet.

[danfossydan.livejournal.com]

What about the werepenguins. I think Ginny can tell you all about them...

[melsner.livejournal.com]

Crinos form is a tuxedo?

Creation Rules

[suchid.livejournal.com]

Is it just straight out of the book? Or is it different?

I may have mentioned to Jez what I wanted to play last time I saw him in London. :-)

Re: Creation Rules

[annwfyn.livejournal.com]

Straight out of the book, plus 50 xp for cliath, and then other ranks require xp donation from other players - 3 for fostern, 5 for adren, 9 for athro, and 13 for elder, with athro and elder being approval. You get xp back for playing a cub - can't remember how many off the top of my head.

And what did you want to play again? I know jez told me but I can't remember.

Re: Creation Rules

[suchid.livejournal.com]

I was considering a Metis Get of Fenris Ragabash. I may be considering a Shadow Lord Ragabash/Galliard, though.

Cliath Rank.

[borusa.livejournal.com]

The Rumbles were wiped out by the Borribles :D

I only just saw this! You may now call yourself "Cobber" Twiceded...

*sigh*

Every BoneGnawer player should be forced to read the Borribles. In fact, everyone should.

[twicedead.livejournal.com]

A second name? For me? Hurrah!

They were fantastic books. If ever I found the time to play Changeling in London, I'd play a Borrible wrangler, a Fagin type with a hoarde of nasy nechanted children with pointy ears.