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Sep. 29th, 2011 09:21 pm
annwfyn: (Mood - pondering fox)
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Once, a long time ago, I did a favour for a friend. He was interested in a girl who had recently ended a relationship with a good friend of his, and he was trying to work out how much trouble he would get in if he asked her out. How soon was too soon? Her ex was pretty gutted. How big a betrayal of friendship was it? And would people think he had been shagging this lass all along?

So, I put up the entry. I can't remember what I wrote now. I think it was a hypothetical situation along those lines, and a ramble about what is the right or wrong thing to do. I may have even phrased it as 'I've been pondering the morality of this situation' before continuing on, mentioning no names.

The response I got was amazing. Four different people mailed me privately to say 'is that about me?', with varying levels of politeness, from "I was just worried" to "look, it's none of your business". In three of those cases I had had no idea that the people in question had that kind of drama in their lives. I mean, it was really fascinating to find out what was going on, and a little disconcerting.

I learned two things that day. One was that there is a risk in cryptic LJ posts. Everyone always assumes it is about them*. The other is that there is no subtle way to write about an actual drama that is going on in your or anyone else's life, even if you're only touching on it opaquely. Because everyone will know you are really talking about them.

As such, I just wrote a really long entry on the morality of gossip, ethics and discussing the love lives of your friends and set it to private, partly because it actually has been prompted by some recent events, and partly because I realized after writing it that it looked like it was prompted by others. It was a really good piece as well. I used a bunch of PCs as examples of dramatic and gossip inspiring situations. But it shall be kept hidden. I am, however, really tempted to post it up in six months time. I'm wondering what responses I might get, especially to the immortal query 'is it right to gossip if your friend has a sex tape uploaded to youtube?'


*well, in your case it actually is

Date: 2011-09-29 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suave-steve.livejournal.com
One day I hope you can share the post but I can appreciate the potential minefields.

Oh and for the record I assume all LJ posts are never about me because believe me I don't have that drama in my life ;P

Date: 2011-09-29 11:04 pm (UTC)
ext_20269: (love - green heart)
From: [identity profile] annwfyn.livejournal.com
I almost certainly will. I periodically go through old journal entries on [profile] winterthing and make them all public as I realize how much of a storm in a teacup most of those entries are.

There are posts on there which I am sure were sideways references to some kind of emo-traum, but I now have no idea what. There are others where I clearly seemed to think I was picking a fight, but looking back at it, I was actually being quite reasonable. And there were other entries which I was sure were flame wars, but actually no one was being that bad at all. I think we all just cared too much in those days.

Which isn't to say I don't do that still. I just think it's easier to see with hindsight.

Date: 2011-09-29 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suave-steve.livejournal.com
Yeah hindsight is a beautiful thing.

Date: 2011-09-30 07:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pmp.livejournal.com
One thing people forget about cryptic posts is that just because you read it and think "oooh that sounds like it's about me" is that you know all the facts, others don't.

Anyhow, it's a well known fact that the universe revolves entirely around me and nobody else :P

Date: 2011-09-30 07:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faerierhona.livejournal.com
The problem is, even if you try ad make it cryptic, it is still you writing posts about my life (well, if the post *is* about my life, obviously) and that makes me very cross if anyone does it. Even if it triggered a thought process for you, it still turns things that might be genuinely painful into a form of entertainment, and if I read it I might have friends effectively bitching about my actions without even knowing they are doing so

And so I think you are doing the right thing by not doing that, by waiting until it has passed and people can think it's about something else, because it can really really hurt when people do that, even unintentionally or when they actually didn't

Date: 2011-09-30 08:15 am (UTC)
ext_20269: (Default)
From: [identity profile] annwfyn.livejournal.com
As I have said, I am not posting this stuff up. I increasingly do that - I have a lot of private entries, or entries set to one or two people. And I write them because I like clarifying things in my head, whether it be the rights and wrongs of gossip, or my feelings about WW2 and why what happened to our grandparents still resonates or even just why certain things hit triggers for me.

And the longer I keep a journal the gladder I am that this stuff is recorded somewhere, as I have realized now how precious it is to have a good idea what the inside of my head looked like 5 years ago.

Edited Date: 2011-09-30 08:17 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-09-30 08:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faerierhona.livejournal.com
My comment may have come across funny, but I was applauding your decision not to post it, but just to write it privately/ leave it to later.

I do private posts sometimes, and have another place for such thoughts too. As you say, it gives us a look back on our thoughts at a time, and also is a useful way to explore our own thoughts, without hurting other people who may not be in any way involved

Date: 2011-09-30 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suave-steve.livejournal.com
Yeah I find private posts useful for that, hell I end up writing one pretty much everyday.

Date: 2011-09-30 08:48 am (UTC)
ext_20269: (Default)
From: [identity profile] annwfyn.livejournal.com
Oh, sorry if I seemed defensive. I was kind of musing in response to it. I totally read it that way. I think I was coming across badly due to it being early morning. :)

And yes, private posts or limited posts are the way forward. I have another one coming up today on trying to work out the difference between a depressive fit and PMS. This is, it seems, trickier than one might imagine!

Date: 2011-09-30 10:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] castorlion.livejournal.com
STOP WRITING ABOUT ME BITCH

Date: 2011-09-30 10:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suave-steve.livejournal.com
Oh and on the final question - yes it is right if they have a sextape on youtube.

Date: 2011-09-30 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twicedead.livejournal.com
They're in the public eye, therefore it is allowable to do ANYTHING to them.

Date: 2011-09-30 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anonymous-james.livejournal.com
I want to +1 this comment.

Date: 2011-09-30 07:04 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-09-30 09:23 pm (UTC)
ext_20269: (cats - ying/yang)
From: [identity profile] annwfyn.livejournal.com
Randomly, it has occurred to me that the 'friends effectively bitching' is something that can come terribly easily out of those kind of posts, absolutely unintentionally, mostly because it is so easy to leave relevant context out of an LJ post, and context is often what matters.

Date: 2011-09-30 09:24 pm (UTC)
ext_20269: (love - black canary)
From: [identity profile] annwfyn.livejournal.com
Man, do you have a sex tape on youtube as well?

Date: 2011-10-01 10:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faerierhona.livejournal.com
And you may, of course, be leaving context out so that there *is* no bitching about what is actually happening

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